Who Can Be Spiritual?

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Who Can Be Spiritual?

Spirituality does not mean any particular practice. It’s a certain way of being. To get there, there are many things to do. If you have a certain type of body, that body will not support that. This is like growing a garden in your house. If this time of the plant isn’t a certain way, it won’t grow flowers. You have to do something. If the soil isn’t a certain way, there won’t be any flowers. If the sunlight isn’t a certain way, it won’t give. You have to take care of those things. If you cultivate your body, your mind, your emotions, and your energies to a certain level of maturity, something else blossoms within you. That is spirituality.

When your rationale is immature, it doubt everything. When your rationale matures, it sees everything in a completely different light.

But if I may so, even to be confused, I don’t think is a bad thing all the time.

Not at all.

To be confused about the right thing is more important than to be too sure about something.

Confusion is a boon. If you have made your conclusion, that’s death. Conclusion is an end. Conclusion means you are looking. The basis of the confusion is that you have realized you don’t know. Recently I met somebody who believes that he’s a very strong atheist. He came to me and said, “I believe there is no God.” I said, “I don’t even believe that.”

Can an atheist be spiritual then?

No. But you must understand even a theist cannot be spiritual.

That’s confusing now.

Because atheists and theists are not different people. One believes there is God. Another believes there is no God. Both of them are believing something that they do not know. You’re not sincere enough to admit that you do not know. That’s your problem. So theists and atheists are not different. They are the same people just putting up an act of being different. A spiritual seeker is neither a theist nor an atheist. He has realized that he does not know. He is seeking

Do you think spirituality has only got to do with age and time? Do you think even a child can be spiritual? Who is spiritual? Who can be spiritual? Is there a parameter to that?

Normally if somebody dies, they think they become spirits. Yes. So I would say only the dead cannot be spiritual. Everything that is alive can be spiritual.

Including a child.

Yes.

Well, if it’s alive.

In India, if you don’t know this, in this culture, a child is treated like a guard. Yes?

Yes.

The child is treated like a guard because he hasn’t acquired the nonsense that others have. He’s closer to creator than anybody else. Here it’s culturally so. I think everywhere in the world, one way other people that other people recognize that.

I think also asking the right questions is kind of important. We have such a need, and this is not just about …

I wouldn’t say asking the right questions. Any question is the right question. Only answers can be wrong.

I’m not so sure because sometimes …

Questions cannot be wrong.

Not wrong or right. Maybe right or wrong itself is the wrong word. It’s lack of a better word because that itself makes it more realistic or defines it. The human need to constantly label things or to constantly say it is this or that. Can an atheist be spiritual? One, that is an assumption that there is a connection between religion and spirituality, and therefore can someone who’s not religious be spiritual? I’m not sure if that question itself presupposes the connection between religion and spirituality, which it may not have.

I would like to clear this. This is true, but at the same time, what you see as religion today is sometime ago, a long time ago, they all started as spiritual processes, got too organized, and they became religions. There is always a possibility, the spiritual movement that you start today, after 200, 500 years, may become a religious movement, because spirituality has to be kept up with subjective aliveness in it. If that subjectivity dies, it just becomes a belief system. So are they connected? Yes. Religion is spirituality gone bad.

I mean personally, I believe religion has actually committed more crimes against humanity in the name of God than any other activity that human beings have done. Look at these humans. We use organized religions constantly as a sort of exploitation more than leading to a better life. It creates rift.

It’s divisive by nature.

It’s divisive by nature. It becomes political, and it’s used by people and misused by people over and over again because a whole lot of people actually believe in it so blindly and so completely for lack of anything better.

I don’t know if they even believe in it, because like he said spirituality … Religion can also have spirituality. It’s the connotation it has taken.

They don’t believe in it blindly. The moment you believe something you become blind.

The moment you believe something you become blind to everything else. The whole conflict on the planet is not between good and evil as they’re trying to project it. It’s always one man’s belief versus another man’s belief, isn’t it? The moment you believe something, you become blind to everything else. The need for belief is more psychological than spiritual. You want to cling to something. You want to feel secure. You want to feel like you know it all. That’s coming from a very immature mind. What is the problem? You don’t know anything about this existence. Actually you don’t know. What is the problem? It’s beautiful. And you see how to make yourself beautiful within yourself, how to make yourself joyful. All this is within your hands. Your placed in an existence where you don’t know where is the beginning, where is the end, in spite all the scientific exploration. You still don’t know where it begins, where it ends.